
Intrinsically Ordered
Exploring the intersection of queer identity and catholicism - sharing stories of those who've left, remained, and created their own journeys; providing commentary on the catholic church's harmful teachings; helping those who've been hurt.
Episodes
48 episodes
Gay, Catholic, and OnlyFans Star: Darian Black's Story of Reconciling Faith and Sexuality
I sat down with Darian, a gay creator who once wanted to be a Catholic priest and now runs an OnlyFans—while still attending Mass. We talked about scrupulosity, being queer in the church, spirituality beyond dogma, and the surprising peace he f...
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Two Atheists Go to a Latin Mass - Behind @HeliocentricOfficial's 'Atheist Church Audit'
Jared from Heliocentric joins me to talk about his experience attending a Latin Mass for the first time and what it reveals about the explosive growth of Rad Trad Catholicism online. We dive into the aesthetics, the online media machine, the ps...
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Dialogue: Does the Bible Condemn Homosexuality? Catholic Apologist vs Gay Atheist
In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I’m joined again by Noah from Jesus and Whatnot for part two of our deep-dive into what the Bible says—or doesn’t say—about homosexuality. As a gay atheist and former almost-priest, I argue ...
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Coming Out As Gay In Canadian Catholic Hockey Culture - @bradyvandruenen's Story
I got to sit down with @bradyvandruenen55 , a former Catholic school student and hockey player from small-town Canada, to hear his powerful story of growing up gay...
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The Ultimate Guide to Coming Out - A Philosopher's Perspective
This is the ultimate guide to coming out—philosophically, practically, and personally. Whether you’re just starting to question your identity, preparing for your first conversation, or figuring out how to rebuild your life after coming out, thi...
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Being Gay At The Most Conservative Catholic Universities - Newman Guide - @leavelaughlove
In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Cade chats with Evelyn from Leave Laugh Love about the hidden world of Newman Guide colleges — those elite, ultra-conservative Catholic universities designed to "protect" young adults from the real worl...
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Eucharistic Miracles Are FAKE - Actual Scientist Review "Scientific Evidence" of Catholic Miracle Claims w/ @Nontradicath
Join the community and join the group discussion on discord: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextradI’m joined by Kevin for a deep dive into one of Catholicism’s most emotionally compelling and scientifically dubious claims: Eucharistic mir...
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Why Jordan Peterson Made Me An Atheist
Jordan Peterson is famous for inspiring many to take religion seriously — but for me, he had the opposite effect. In this video, I walk you through how reading Maps of Meaning turned me from a devout Catholic who almost became a priest into an ...
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debunking EVERY catholic apologetic argument - ex-catholic apologists
On today's episode, we react to a 27 page document that reports to take people from agnosticism to catholicism. Myself and Colin (ex-traditional catholics) debunk this document while getting an outsider's perspective from our friend Greg (never...
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Was Pope Francis Really an LGBT Ally? A Critical Analysis
In this critical follow-up to our earlier reflections on Pope Francis’s passing, three gay ex-Catholics break down the truth behind the progressive myth. While headlines hail him as a revolutionary, we ask: did anything actually change for quee...
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Pope Francis LGBTQ Legacy? What He Did (and Didn’t Do) for Us
Pope Francis has passed—and within hours, I sat down with Justin from Empty Chairs for an off-the-cuff emergency podcast. As a gay ex-Catholic and a gay current Catholic, we unpack Pope Francis’s complicated legacy on LGBTQ issues. Did he reall...
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What Does Pope Francis' Death Mean for LGBT Catholics?
Pope Francis has passed. And as someone who was once on the path to becoming a conservative Catholic priest—and now lives openly as a gay man—his death hits hard. In this video, I break down what Pope Francis actually did for LGBTQ Catholics. F...
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the STRANGEST anti-gay philosophical arguments I've ever heard - w/ @Kenapologeticscatholic
In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with Minh ( @Kenapologeticscatholic ) a Catholic apologist and street evangelist, for one of...
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Why I Treat Homophobic Christians Like Vegans
In today's episode, I unpack the mental model I use when Christians try to impose their beliefs—especially around queer rights. I compare their moral arguments to veganism (yes, really) to show how the more forcefully someone wants to control o...
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Season 3
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Episode 5
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13:37

How to Leave Catholicism/High-Control Religion & Stay Happy w/ Evelyn from Leave Laugh Love
Leaving a fundamentalist or conservative form of Catholicism is more than just walking away from a church—it’s walking away from an entire worldview, identity, and sometimes your community. In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, Evelyn from ...
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Season 3
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Episode 8
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1:11:37

101 Ways to Go To Hell in Catholicism (And Why It Makes No Sense)
In this episode, I discuss my journey from being a traditional Catholic to questioning and ultimately leaving the faith. I delve into the ambiguities and contradictions within Catholic teachings about sin and morality. Sharing personal stories,...
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Season 3
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Episode 7
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What Sends You to Hell in Catholicism? Apologist & Atheist Debate Catholic Teaching
In this episode of the Intrinsically Ordered Podcast, I sit down with guest Cameron Riecker, a prominent Catholic YouTuber, discuss the complexities and uncertainties within Catholic moral teaching. We dive deep into the distinctions between ve...
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Season 3
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Episode 7
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56:44

The False Promises of Traditional Catholicism - Inside Catholicism's Most Radical Sect
Join the community and join the group discussion on discord: https://www.patreon.com/c/gayextradAs someone who was once a zealous traditional Catholic—praying daily rosaries, attending Latin Mass, and even discerning monastic life—I've ...
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Season 3
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Episode 6
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41:37

Christians, What if Being Gay Were a Choice?
For years, I begged God to make me straight. I read every book, watched every lecture, and tried every method of "healing." But what if being queer isn’t something to fix? What if it's something you could choose — not out of rebellion, but out ...
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Season 3
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Episode 4
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Catholicism & Gay Marriage Debate: Natural Law, Ethics, and Legal Considerations in a Modern Society
I got to sit down with a professional catholic apologist to have perhaps the most comprehensive discussion on natural law & gay marriage. We originally planned an hour discussion on a number of topics but found enough to get into just on th...
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Season 3
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Episode 2
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Catholic Sacraments Make No Logical Sense: Placebo, Ritual, and Boundary Maintenance
Are Catholic sacraments truly channels of divine grace—or just powerful human rituals? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, we question the supernatural claims behind sacraments like baptism and marriage. With guest Colin, we explore their...
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Season 3
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Episode 3
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52:39

Catholic Apologist vs Ex-Catholic Atheist: Evidence for God, Morality, and Catholic Infallibility
Does faith require evidence, or is experience enough? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Noah from @Jesus_and_Whatnot to debate Cath...
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Season 3
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Episode 1
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1:22:50

5 Things That Would Make Me Believe in God - Ex-Catholic Atheist On Divine Hiddenness & Interstellar
After years of grappling with this question, I finally have an answer—thanks to Interstellar. This film unknowingly lays out the six conditions that could actually convince me a higher intelligence exists. But even if that were true… would it l...
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Season 2
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Episode 7
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15:38

I Debated Michael Knowles on Jubilee - Yes, Gay Marriage CAN Exist - DEBUNKING Bad Conservative Philosophy
In this video, I break down my debate with Michael Knowles on Jubilee about the topic of same-sex marriage, philosophy, and conservative ideology. We go deep into metaphysics, logic, and how anti-LGBT arguments are structured to sound airtight—...
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Season 2
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Episode 6
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19:25

The WEIRD Reason The Catholic Church Wants To Control Your Sex Life - Trent Horn Debunked
Catholic apologist Trent Horn recently posted a video titled "The Sex Questions Almost No One Can Answer", where he attempts to justify Catholic sexual ethics using Natural Law philosophy. But are these arguments sound?Join my discord f...
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Season 2
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Episode 5
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