Intrinsically Ordered

Why Anti-Gay Catholic Arguments Assume Everyone is Bisexual

Cade Bradley

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In this episode, Colin and I react to Brian Holdsworth's video asking whether "gay priests" are even a real thing. What starts as a discussion about labels quickly turns into a much bigger conversation about sexual orientation, Catholic theology, history, identity, and how the Church talks about same-sex attraction.

We unpack the arguments, examine where we think the reasoning breaks down, and discuss why language matters when talking about real people. Along the way we dive into Pope Francis' comments on seminaries, the 2005 Vatican instruction on admitting men with same-sex attraction to the priesthood, ancient Greek sexuality, bisexuality, orientation, and why analogies don't always prove what people think they prove.

00:00 Pride Month Banter
01:06 Reacting to Brian Holdsworth
03:09 Pope Francis Quote Fallout
05:13 Ancient Rome Was Gay
08:20 Labels and Orientation Debate
13:54 Appetites and Identity Claim
17:49 Catholic Analogy Time
22:17 Cravings vs Human Love
25:04 Appetites Make You Gayer
31:55 Short Term Hookups Critique
35:46 Dehumanizing the Gay Label
38:15 Labels and Identity Sprawl
38:52 Paradox of Tolerance Rant
39:51 Honorary Gender Studies
40:38 Dodging the Priest Question
41:16 Chastity vs Gay Label
42:29 Church Policy Contradictions
44:29 Food and Gluttony Analogy
46:50 Spectrum and Ancient World
51:31 Frauds and Sacraments
55:10 Title Not Description Confusion
57:00 Trad Conspiracy Briefcase
01:00:02 Sponsor Break Real Estate
01:01:15 Why Labels Help Research
01:07:29 Why So Many Gay Priests
01:10:50 Growing Up Without Language
01:15:47 Landing the Plane Conclusion

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