Catholic Apologist Says Slavery Is Okay In Debate About Jesus' Resurrection

*Skip to 01:23:00 - if you just want to see the slavery bit*

After a few months off podcasting, I came back with one of the wildest conversations I’ve had with a Catholic apologist. This is my third debate with Noah from  ⁨@Jesus.andwhatnot⁩   and we start in a pretty normal place: the historicity of Jesus, what (if anything) we can know from the sources, how reliable the Gospels are, and whether claims like crucifixion and resurrection can be treated like other ancient historical questions.

Then the conversation takes a sharp turn into epistemology—faith vs. history, “first principles,” and whether the Catholic Church can be treated as an infallible authority. And yes: there’s a moment where he starts defending slavery, which honestly caught me off guard in real time.

If you want the calm historical discussion, it’s here. If you want the “what did I just hear” moment, you’ll definitely find it. Either way, I hope this helps you think more clearly about what counts as evidence, what counts as faith, and how people build worldviews.

00:00 Introduction and Podcast Return
02:43 Debate Setup: Historicity of Jesus
06:04 Exploring the Historical Jesus
18:34 Crucifixion and Resurrection Debate
32:03 Skepticism and Historical Evidence
47:51 The Presupposition of Jesus as God
48:25 Mary's Perpetual Virginity: Historical or Faith Claim?
49:28 Catholicism and Historical Claims
53:43 Epistemology and Circular Reasoning
55:45 First Principles and Trust in the Catholic Church
59:08 Faith vs. Historical Evidence
01:02:46 The Role of the Catholic Church in Morality
01:06:07 Debating the Stability of Worldviews
01:09:31 The Evolution of Catholic Doctrine
01:23:00 - DEFENDING SLAVERY
01:27:11 Closing Statements and Reflections

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