
Intrinsically Ordered
Exploring the intersection of queer identity and catholicism - sharing stories of those who've left, remained, and created their own journeys; providing commentary on the catholic church's harmful teachings; helping those who've been hurt.
Intrinsically Ordered
Catholic Apologist vs Ex-Catholic Atheist: Evidence for God, Morality, and Catholic Infallibility
Does faith require evidence, or is experience enough? In this episode of Intrinsically Ordered, I sit down with Noah from @Jesus_and_Whatnot to debate Catholicism, the role of suffering, religious disagreement, and whether faith can be rationally justified. We dive into the toughest questions:
Does the Catholic Church have clear moral teachings, or is it all contradiction?
Why does God allow suffering, and is it truly necessary?
If the Pope is infallible, why do Catholics disagree on so much?
What would it take for an atheist to believe in God again?
🔥 This discussion goes deep into Catholic apologetics, philosophical arguments, and the personal journeys that shape our beliefs. Whether you're Catholic, atheist, or somewhere in between, this episode will challenge your thinking!
00:00 – Intro & Guest Introduction
02:15 – What Led You to Question Catholicism?
08:30 – The Problem of Religious Disagreement
15:10 – Can the Church Be Unified When Even Priests Disagree?
21:45 – The Role of the Pope in Resolving Confusion
28:20 – Does Faith Require Evidence?
34:10 – Why Does God Allow Suffering?
41:00 – The Catholic Church’s Rules on Marriage & Morality
48:30 – If God is Real, Why Doesn’t He Make Himself Clear?
55:40 – Can the Church Even Define Mortal Sin?
1:02:25 – Why Doesn’t the Pope Answer Dubia (Doctrinal Questions)?
1:08:45 – What Would Convince an Atheist to Believe Again?
1:14:00 – Does Religion Make Life Better or Worse?
1:19:30 – Is Catholicism’s Appeal Just Suffering & Submission?
1:22:10 – Final Thoughts & Wrap-Up
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